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First the Spidey trailer: OMGYAY! Black costume! Venom! Crazy Harry! Gwen Stacey! I have to wait a year? NOOOO!

Okay, now for the movie I actually saw.

I read somewhere that this movie is supposed to take place after Superman II, meaning we are supposed to pretend Superman III and IV never happened, which is what all sensible people were doing anyway. Superman has just come back from a five-year search for his dead planet after astronomers told them they found it, but neglected to mention how long it takes light from other solar systems to reach Earth. (I know, I know; no real science in superhero movies.) The world appears to have moved on, much like Lois Lane who now has a kid and a long-term boyfriend. Poor Superman, it seems he is no longer necessary to his favorite plucky reporter or on his adopted home world. Yeah, right.

Lex Luthor, meanwhile, is out of jail because Superman didn’t show up to testify against him. He’s been keeping busy seducing old ladies and planning to take over the world. With one of those “laser beam on the moon” type plans, no less (note: not actual movie plan). It’s an old fashioned Superman story, with a clear-cut villain, standard world saving and none-too-subtle Christ imagery (which, come to think of it, is kinda weird for a character created by two Jewish guys).

Brandon Routh, I think, got the role of Superman/Clark Kent because he is easy on the eyes and bears a passing resemblance to Christopher Reeve. This isn’t to say he didn’t do a fine job as Superman. His performance didn’t catch my eye, and didn’t leave the biggest impression on me, but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t very Truth, Justice and the American Way. Indeed, I think he blended enough humor into the role to keep Superman from being less bland than I usually find him. And I certainly don’t think Tom Welling would have done a better job. I’m rather glad they didn’t cast the Smallville star, as that would have caused all sorts of continuity weirdness. I really like that the Superman movies have their own canon, separate from Smallville and the comics.

Movie!Lex Luthor is one of the differences I really like. Sure he’s erudite, but he’s also funny, has weird plans I don’t think he quite thinks through, and is batshit insane. And, he’s played by Kevin Spacey, which is truly the best casting ever. Gene Hackman must be so proud, because it’s a great continuation of Movie I and II Lex. The Lex scenes were my favorite because Spacey is a great actor, and he and Parker Posey (as his floozy follower with great hats and occasionally horrible hair) played off each other so well.

I would like to introduce Kate Bosworth to Katie Holmes and have the former educate the later on being the female in a superhero movie. Admittedly, Lois Lane has a lot more history and pizzazz than Ms. Pulled-Out-of-a-Screenwriter’s-Ass-Rachel, but I think it still applies. I found Bosworth’s Lois to be the best of the female-love-interests-in-the-superhero-genre so far. Though considering her competition has been Katie Holmes, Jessica Alba and Kirsten Dunst (I don’t think anyone in X-Men counts, and Jennifer Connelly is disqualified on account of the sheer badness of The Hulk in general), that’s probably not too high praise. Still, she was plucky when she needed to be, had some good scenes involving her son, and was generally palatable.

Oh, James Marsden, I take back every bad thing I’ve ever said about your acting. You’re not a plank of wood. It is totally the fault of the visor that you come off empty and vaguely embarrassing in the X-Men movies. You were so cool; I almost wished your character could stay with Lois. I think you also had more screen time in Superman than you did in all three X-Movies combined. So, good on you, man.

Okay, nitpick time. Why are they keeping a nearly dead Superman in a dark room? Lois Lane at the very least knows he gets his power from sunlight. Why don’t they take him to the roof? Why don’t they OPEN THE DAMN BLINDS?

Also, Lex, darling, I don’t think anyone is going to want to live on that new continent you’re creating. It doesn’t appear to have any arable land and is way too pointy. Also, I think it is made of graphite.

What I really liked about the movie was that it was genuinely funny. There were some really good humorous dialogue and visual jokes. There’s a levity you can add to Superman that you just can’t get in Batman. The humor is subtler than in, say, Fantastic Four. X-Men was genuinely funny too (Bryan Singer did both, of course), but I think it was of a slightly darker cast than Superman. There’s really only one dark joke in Superman, and it didn’t go over very well with the audience I was with. In a way, it didn’t seem to belong.

The special effects were very good, but nothing I would call awesome. It was what the original movies wanted to accomplish, but didn’t have the technology to do. There was some CGI facial weirdness, but that’s forgivable when everything is moving to fast to really tell (I barely noticed, but I have a friend who looks for it purposely; I don’t know why). I can’t really say there’s anything that stick out in my mind, but there’s a bit with an airplane that really cool. It would probably be better remember by me if it wasn’t such a standard Superman rescue I’ve seen in comics and the cartoons. Though, it really is one of the best illustrations of Superman’s power.

So, yeah. Superman Returns. Really good; maybe not my favorite comic book movie, but definitely worth seeing. Good cast; appropriate, though maybe not scintillating, plot; actually funny. Makes me wish they’d do that Batman vs. Superman movie because [shallow girl] that’d be a whole lot of hot on one screen [/shallow girl].

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Date: 2006-06-29 04:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lindewen.livejournal.com
i totaly agree with your superman vs. batman concept. christian bale and brandon routh would probably give me a heart attack if they were on screen together... but the good kind of heart attack!

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Date: 2006-06-29 04:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evadne-noel.livejournal.com
I would be greatly pleased if they took the concept off the shelf and actually made it.

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Date: 2006-06-29 06:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redcoast.livejournal.com
Like this? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtwqGKAhYic&search=christian%20bale)

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Date: 2006-07-08 10:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ex-rudeandre569.livejournal.com
A heart attack in your pants?

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irony

Date: 2006-06-29 04:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] deadndried.livejournal.com
Brandon Routh once tried out for the Clark Kent in Smallville, which obviously he didnt get. And Tom Welling tried out for the Clark in this one also.

Re: irony

Date: 2006-06-29 04:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evadne-noel.livejournal.com
I'd heard that. It's pretty damn funny, though I can't decide who got the better deal.

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Date: 2006-06-29 05:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] onlyonechoice.livejournal.com
Parker Posey consistently made me laugh through the movie - such a fitting homage to Miss Tessmacher of the original movies :) The dog was awesome too, just for the idea of "Didn't there used to be two of these?"

Oh, James Marsden, I take back every bad thing I’ve ever said about your acting. You’re not a plank of wood. It is totally the fault of the visor that you come off empty and vaguely embarrassing in the X-Men movies. You were so cool; I almost wished your character could stay with Lois. I think you also had more screen time in Superman than you did in all three X-Movies combined. So, good on you, man.

Wasn't he awesome? I loved him in this, and I agree about the screen time whoelheartedly. I was told that Bryan Singer created that role for Marsden, and at least the Role That Killed Cyclops was a fitting one for him :)

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Date: 2006-06-29 06:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evadne-noel.livejournal.com
Parker Posey was great. I thought Kitty was really funny (Jimmy too).

Yeah, I'm glad Marsden got a good role out of the Cyclops debacle. I was wondering who this Richard White was, but I thought it was a good addition. Though between Richard and the kid Jason, I wanted to shake my fist at Bryan Singer and say, "Stop stealing names from another hero's mythology!"

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Date: 2006-06-29 05:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jscarlettlg.livejournal.com
I said similar things to my husband about the whole Cyclops visor thing, "Poor James Marsden. It's like, yay I'm Cyclops and in the X-Men movies! But boo to wearing glasses all the time because so much acting is in the eyes and no one can see it!"

My only knowledge of Superman is actually stopping in Metropolis, IL on our way back home from Spring Break. We took pictures by the giant Superman. It's a pretty un-exciting, typical Mid-Western town. Glad to hear the movie wasn't as much of a dud.

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Date: 2006-06-29 06:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evadne-noel.livejournal.com
Wow, Metropolis, IL sounds a little pathetic. Like, giant ball of twine pathetic.

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Date: 2006-06-29 06:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redcoast.livejournal.com
It’s an old fashioned Superman story, with a clear-cut villain, standard world saving and none-too-subtle Christ imagery (which, come to think of it, is kinda weird for a character created by two Jewish guys).

Well, Steven Spielberg directed E.T., with the most obvious (and touching) Christ-figure until ... I was going to say, The Passion of the Christ but that's actually not very touching.

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Date: 2006-06-29 06:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evadne-noel.livejournal.com
Gotta love the Christ-like savoir trope in cinema. ANYONE can be Jesus.

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Date: 2006-06-29 07:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miana-dude.livejournal.com
I loved this movie, and I DEFINITELY agree with you about James. If I didn't love Superman so much, I would have wanted Lois to stay with him. :-)

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Date: 2006-06-30 01:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evadne-noel.livejournal.com
I think that's the danger of being a new character. He can't possibly get the girl, but maybe Cat Grant or someone will show up so we don't feel too bad about his losing Lois.

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Date: 2006-06-29 08:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tanaraniel.livejournal.com
Dude! The Spiderman3 trailer looked amaaaazing. I suppose that's fitting, considering. But yea, can't wait.

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Date: 2006-06-30 01:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evadne-noel.livejournal.com
I got all excited by the trailer, but then I realized it wasn't coming out until next summer. That means I have a whole year of having to watch this trailer without fulfillment. So sad.

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Date: 2006-06-29 09:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] irishmastermind.livejournal.com
Very excited to see this soon.

Also- Venom, Sandman, and Hobgoblin all in one movie? *gleedance* I hope they pull it off well.

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Date: 2006-06-29 11:28 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Honest to God,I actually screamed out loud in glee when you said Venom was in the next Spidey movie.The symbiote storyline has been one of my favorites since I was a wee geekling.
And I can't wait to see Superman.While I'm more fond of Marvel comics and DC heros like Flash and the Titans,I still have wonderful memories of watching the old Superman cartoons from the fifties.
Oh,and do you plan on seeing Pirates of the Carribbean 2? I'm going to see it with my family on opening night.I'm actually dressing up as a pirate and managed to convince two of my siblings to do it with me.My other sister swears she's going to pretend not to know us.

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Date: 2006-06-30 12:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] smartie145.livejournal.com
There’s really only one dark joke in Superman, and it didn’t go over very well with the audience I was with. In a way, it didn’t seem to belong.

Which joke was it? I'm trying to remember.

Yes I thought the movie was wonderful, casting was great (I agree I thought Kevin and Parker were a great onscreen duo), I just loved this movie. I'm seeing it again Saturday.

And I can't wait for Spiderman 3!! I had no idea Topher Grace was in it..that made me very happy.

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Date: 2006-06-30 01:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evadne-noel.livejournal.com
The dog chewing on the bone, and the "didn't there used to be two of them line" fell really flat with my audience. There was a lot ewwwwwwing, and I don't think I heard anyone laugh.

Spiderman 3 is going to rock. I really wish it was coming out sooner.

Also, ICON! "Where's Andrae?"

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Date: 2006-06-30 05:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tawabids.livejournal.com
I'm going to this purely for Kevin Spacey, so it's good to know I might enjoy some of the Spacey-exempt scenes.

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Date: 2006-06-30 01:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evadne-noel.livejournal.com
Kevin Spacey is pure joy, but there is plenty of other good stuff in the movie. I hope you like it.

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Date: 2006-06-30 08:54 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] connikins.livejournal.com
Okay, nitpick time. Why are they keeping a nearly dead Superman in a dark room? Lois Lane at the very least knows he gets his power from sunlight. Why don’t they take him to the roof? Why don’t they OPEN THE DAMN BLINDS?

That is EXACTLY what I was thinking. But maybe they had UV lights?

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Date: 2006-06-30 01:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evadne-noel.livejournal.com
I didn't see any light other than the standard overhead fluorescent lighting, but I did wonder if they had one of those plant sunlights somewhere. Still, it was day, it would have been a lot easier to use the natural light.

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Date: 2006-07-01 03:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] royalsongstress.livejournal.com
Didn't read the spoiler bits because I haven't seen it yet, but it's nice to see James Marsden getting some love! I've maintained for years that he's better than what they gave him for Cyclops. I'm anxious to see this now. Soon!

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Date: 2006-07-05 03:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evadne-noel.livejournal.com
I suppose most actors are better than what Marsden was given for Cyclops, but I'm glad he had a good role in Superman. I hope you get to see it soon.

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Date: 2006-07-01 10:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xpxhxoxexnxixxx.livejournal.com
I don't know if I'll go see it, considering it almost seems like they were waiting for Christopher Reeve to die so they could make another Superman movie. I just find it a little suspect.

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Date: 2006-07-05 03:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evadne-noel.livejournal.com
Maybe that's why they did it now, but I thought they had planned this longer ago because Marvel was doing really well with all of their comic book movies, and DC needed to compete. It may just be really unfortuante timing, rather than purposeful.

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Date: 2006-07-02 01:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] smartie145.livejournal.com
Are you going to do a breadbox edition of Superman Returns? I love your breadboxes!

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Date: 2006-07-05 03:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evadne-noel.livejournal.com
Probably not, as I'm planning on doing a PotC II BBE and I have a half done one from a year ago to finish.

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the silly island

Date: 2006-07-02 04:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hydeco.livejournal.com
It doesn’t appear to have any arable land and is way too pointy. Also, I think it is made of graphite.

Like Mordor, but wet.

Re: the silly island

Date: 2006-07-05 04:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evadne-noel.livejournal.com
Right. Not prime real estate in any universe.

Savior Superman

Date: 2006-07-05 05:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xpxhxoxexnxixxx.livejournal.com
So I just saw it, and (/sarcasm/)I must say they were extremely subtle with the Christ imagery(/sarcasm/). However I loved Kevin Spacey, I kee hearing him saying "Kryptonite" over and over in my head.

Re: Savior Superman

Date: 2006-07-06 01:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evadne-noel.livejournal.com
Yeah, when they whipped out the Christ imagery, I said, "Woo, subtle" in the theater. It was very, um, tasteful?

Kevin Spacey was awesome; I'll be hearing him say "Kryptonite" every time the word comes up from now on.

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James Marsden and all that

Date: 2006-07-09 09:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] folklights.livejournal.com
Oh, James Marsden, I take back every bad thing I’ve ever said about your acting. You’re not a plank of wood. It is totally the fault of the visor that you come off empty and vaguely embarrassing in the X-Men movies. You were so cool; I almost wished your character could stay with Lois. I think you also had more screen time in Superman than you did in all three X-Movies combined. So, good on you, man.
Exactly. I was absolutely and utterly amazed (and I mean that) by his acting...I really think it was the visor and the fact that Scott is...well...not exactly *the* main X-Men character, though still one of the leaders...how awkward would that be to play? I felt like he never really knew where he fit, and perhaps felt inferior to Jean as well...I don't know.

I didn't like Lois that much, but neither did I dislike her...I think I just wondered what exactly it was that made her so incredibly special in Superman/Clark's eyes, and I think it was just the familiarity of her; he could have any woman he wanted, but he *knew* her and I felt like he, for all his "cosmopolitan-ness" (haha), was a very down-to-earth person (pun intended) who valued closeness...I may be wrong. That's the impression I got.

All right, I'm done...hope the admin thing went over well :)

Ivy

Re: James Marsden and all that

Date: 2006-07-10 03:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evadne-noel.livejournal.com
Scott can be interesting, but he gets overshadowed when he's not a main character. I think he'd have been a lot better off without the visor too, yeah. "My nose and mouth are excellent actors!"

I don't think that's a bad impression of Lois. Lois is one of my favorite characters in the DCU and it's always because she takes no shit. That didn't really come out as well in the movie, but she stood up to Lex well enough.

So, you recently got a livejournal?

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Date: 2006-07-12 01:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dancerofflames.livejournal.com
I totally wanted to see the kid kick some more ass. Seriously, chucking a piano across a room proves nothing.

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Date: 2006-07-12 02:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evadne-noel.livejournal.com
I wanted more from the kid too, but I still think it was more effective for James Marsden to show up on the yacht to save them. If they make more movies, maybe we'll see more of the kid.

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Date: 2006-07-25 01:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lilith-queen.livejournal.com
What I never got is, seriously, how can nobody know that Kent is Superman? I mean, yeah, Kent kinda fades into the background, but you would THINK that SOMEbody would NOTICE that he and Superman look an awful lot alike. I mean, at least Batman wears a mask. And the Christ imagery? Yeah, they might as well have hit us over the head with it.

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Date: 2006-07-25 04:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evadne-noel.livejournal.com
That's why my favorite episode of "The Adventures Lois and Clark" is the one where the guy comes from the future and taunts Lois, "The question on everyone's mind is: HOW STUPID WAS SHE? Glasses! No glasses!" Because, yeah, they look exactly alike. The kid saw it, for heaven's sake.

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Date: 2006-07-26 10:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] piyo-halliwell.livejournal.com
Finally, I got around to seeing this movie and I really enjoyed it. I've never really been a huge fan of Superman (depsite watching Lois and Clark, the cartoon, Smallville and at least the first movie...or, maybe I'm a closet fan, lol), but I think I like him more than I thought I did. But, I think I had a fangirl moment when I heard John Williams' theme.

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Date: 2006-07-27 03:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evadne-noel.livejournal.com
The use of the John Williams theme pleased me greatly too. I really like that song.

I don't really consider myself a huge fan either, though I did watch the cartoon and a season of Smallville.

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